Tuesday, December 04, 2007

Columne the seconde.

You can read my second column reprinted on Online Opinion here. Note in particular the lunatic ravings of 'Leigh' and 'tRAKKA' - their sentiments basically encapsulate about 98% of the letters I received after its first publication.

In addition to being referred to as 'stupid', 'ignorant' and 'talentless', I was called 'vacuous', 'a waste of space', 'narrow-minded' (!) and told to 'get a real job'. That last one made me laugh and laugh!

From online opinion, we have tRAKKA saying:

"
What a silly, spiteful little Balmain basket weaver this writer is. "Payback is a bitch". Good grief! Imagine feeling so inferior that you feel people are talking down to you. Your problem, not Johns, girly!

It is typical of the general lack of respect displayed by gen Yers such as Emma, though. Thinking you know more than your elders and betters. Hopefully she'll realise what a twat she's been in about 10 years.

That aside, I believe this elected government will have a honeymoon of 12-18 months before the unions start rattling cages and sabres.

Kevin won't be the answer to your prayers Emma. First decide what you want and then work out what YOU have to do to achieve your aims. You won't get anywhere, by the way, UNLESS you help others get what they require. So sorry, you're going to have to do some more work to get to your utopia.

Good fortune on your voyage of knowledge. I've a feeling you're going to need it.

Posted by tRAKKA, Monday, 3 December 2007 3:25:12 PM"



I imagine one might gain slightly more credibility in their critique if they could bother to get the name of the author correct in the first place. How Clementine translates to Emma is beyond me.

I particularly love the implication that imagining disdain or oppression exists somehow belies a sense of inferiority in the speaker rather than a genuine interpretation of reality. In ten years time, when I realise what a 'twat' I've been, I'll be sure to look back and lament the time I stupidly believed myself to know better than my elders. Honestly, I don't even know why they allow us to vote...

This one is a work of art though. Ah Leigh! What an entertainer you are!

"
It would be wonderful if the dead-head Y Generation did all migrate to New Zealand. They are no use here, and NZ immigrants to Australia have left plenty of room for them. It is appalling to contemplate that these total wastes of space are, as this one of them says, “the future leaders of Australia”. At 50 years of age, Kevin Rudd probably thinks the same way as we seniors do. If Rudd did deliberately appeal to the Y Generation as Ford seems to think, gawd help us all!

We can be sure that Ford really believes that: “Rather than being the disinterested lot we're painted as, young folk these days are far more savvy when it comes to, well, just about anything that their parents dealt with.” But that’s only because Generation Y is so disinterested in anything but itself, and wouldn’t have a clue what previous generations think, do or did. Everything was ‘just there’ for the little punks.

And simply denying that Generation Y is “anything but” self-interested and selfish, is merely a childish denial completely bereft of any self-examination. Also, the fact that this twerp can call a man (John Howard) old enough to be her grandfather, and with commensurate life experience, a “war monger” and yes man completes her self -portrayal as an ignorant little girl.

Generation Y should have been smothered at birth

Posted by Leigh, Friday, 30 November 2007 9:09:34 AM"

It's a good thing we've got people like tRAKKA and Leigh to take us young folk down a peg or two. Apparently it is not the youth's to question political actions taken by men 'old enough to be their grandfathers'. Matter of respect I imagine. Thank heavens we live in the kind of society where the elderly are allowed to refer to us as 'selfish', 'twerps', 'ignorant' and 'wastes of space'. Generation Y should have all been smothered at birth, says Leigh. Wise words.

I did however also receive little missives from a couple of people who told me they were happy to see young people so engaged with the political process. This was my favourite:


"As an octogarian I can only say well done. Your comments described the feelings of not only the younger generation but that of those who voted for a new government.

It is the younger generation who are going to handle the affairs of this world. We older ones are being left behind. For example my knowledge of computors is only thanks to Tom, my grandson, taking the patience to show he the very basics. If it wasn't for him you would be getting this memo from my old Royal typewriter.

Unlike the previous government which only followed the Liberal idealogies I do believe Kevin Rudd is a very genuine person who is determined as he said "to govern for all Australians"
Your article described the situation better than all the political commentators put together.

Once again CONGRATULATIONS."

Seriously, what a heart warming little pocket rocket of love! I wish he HAD sent me a letter on his old Royal typewriter. I would definitely stick it up on my wall. It's nice to get some reassurance amongst all of the letters calling for my admittance to special ed school and tirades on how obviously brainless and uneducated I am.

Peace out (I'm off on a well needed voyage of knowledge, and then hopefully to find a real job...)

55 apples:

Amanda said...

I think the first thing that jumped out at me in the first letter was that he got your name wrong, and I was immediately determined to hate everything he had to say from that point on. With good reason though, it would seem.

I love love love that last letter, that is utterly heartwarming and lovely.

Anonymous said...

"I was immediately determined to hate everything he had to say from that point on. With good reason though, it would seem."

That wouldn't be like you at all Amanda. Because that would be what a closed minded bigot would do.

Amanda said...

anon- I'm determined not to get dragged into whatever you're trying to pull me into. I was simply expressing my feelings that if the author of that letter couldn't take the time to get at least Clementine's name right, I saw very little reason to spend a lot of time taking in what he had to say. It had nothing to do with being a "closed minded bigot", and everything to do with feeling that, as one of the bloggers I respect the most, Clementine at least deserved to have those passing judgment on her work get her name right. That's all. Don't try to read more into my comments than is there.

Candace said...

wow. I can't believe how many nasty comments you got. But I guess I shouldn't be surprised at conservatism considering the way the wind's been blowing round these parts over the last decade.

Well done, (I always feel like I should call you Audrey here, out of blog respect). I'm glad your column exists. I wish it was in the paper down my way.

Also, anonymous people who incite flame wars have no respect from me. Grow up.

Anonymous said...

I'm not necessarily trying to start a flame war. Just pointing how she immediately said she didn't care what the person had to say and was going to hate it regardless.

This just sounds to me like the actions of a bigot who is mindlessly jumping on the band wagon as it goes past simply because her hero, Audrey the wise, happens to be holding the reigns. Simply addressing the name incorrectly does not make the persons arguments less valid. In that regard, let he (or she) who has not made a mistake cast the first stone.

If you disagree with other things the person had to say, I'd much rather hear about that.

Drew said...

The whole point of opinion columns is get people rilled up. You might say it is basically paying people to incite flame wars via the newspaper.

And that makes Audrey a professional troll.

Anonymous said...

Yep, and the fact that she had no hate mail on the first column says that the first one failed miserably. At least with politics, people are already so riled up it doesn't take any skill get hate mail.

Sakura said...

Wow - great article again and those comments are just out of this world. Why is there so much hatred out there for young people who actually take an interest in the state of our world. One minute they're accusing us of being apathetic and sponges on the face of this earth getting pregnant only to milk the system (yeah because that's a sound economical plan) and then the next minute, when we actually show some interest and a spark of intellect they call us twerps and want to smother us at birth.

Scotty said...

The problem is, they see us as being spoon fed till the early 20's never having to do anything for ourselves then getting paid to do nothing and Clementine's comments have only added to this view.

You see, they have seen all of the history that has lead up to the current economic situation with the hard times brought about by labours poor policies in the past.

I remember both my parents working my whole life so I could go to a good school and then to uni. now I have a good paying job so my partner doesn't need to work. Some people just leech off the government and get paid to speak their minds like Clementine. This is what Howard means when he says working families have never been better off.

These people remember the times when both parents had to work hard to get by and see our generation as leeching up to now then suddenly saying to Howard, "thanks for all the money no f*ck off".

nick said...

One minute they're accusing us of being apathetic and sponges on the face of this earth getting pregnant only to milk the system

In the army we were told to stay away from the local chicks when you stay at another base. This is because there are women who flock to army bases so they can bag them a bloke who is out looking for a bit of fun. Apparently they go to extraordinary lengths to get pregnant, like fishing condoms out of the bin. They see pregnancy as a career since it means someone will always be paying to support them. This is why there are so many kids around singleton who have "Thomas Gun" as the father on their birth certificate.

penny said...

(Having just read all the comments on Online Opinion) Oh Leigh, you cantankerous old bastard you! I don't think you've heard the last of him, Ms Apple...

Penni said...

I don't really understand Gen Y bashing (I'm not one - gen Y or basher). People like Leigh talk about how everything has been delivered to them, and yet HECS is always rising (baby boomers got their uni for free), more and more universities heading towards an American style of tertiary which means prohibitive upfront fees for post-grad study (essential if you want to specialise in any field), the ridiculous cost of houses to buy AND to rent, the rising cost of petrol...

Yeah, the world is their happy wonderland, full of milk and plenty. Mm-hmm.

Because as we all know, the reason Gen Y can't afford a house is those pesky plasma televisions. If they just bought a b&w tv like we did in Leigh's day then they'd be just fine.

It's not because John Howard worked on policies of rugged individualism in which the rich got steadily richer and the poor got further marginalised. No. Of course not.

meva said...

Oh. My. God.

Leigh is absolutely rabid! How can anyone possibly think that a point of difference warrants such a spiteful, vitriolic, violent response? Bizarre!

I'm very pleased to say, though, that most of the older people I know are more like the lovely Royal Typewriter correspondent.

Phoenix_B said...

Penni, I totally agree. There is an excellent book called Adult Themes by Emma Crawford that really looks at some of the assumptions underlying so much of that unhelpful generational discourse. Like, in our parents day, cost of purchasing a home was about 2 times average income. It is now closer to 7 or 8.

sublime-ation said...

I'm sorry, but sometimes I just think 'Ganglands' was right.

It's unbelievable how threatened they are by the younger people coming up behind them.

You said you were going to cause debate, I guess you were right.

Astonishing though. I was watching an old 'Northern Exposure' the other night (you know me) and even back then Chris described gay marriage as being 'mainstream'.

Mick said...

7 to 8 times the average income of an arts student maybe. If you don't do anything useful you don't get money and can't buy a house. It is that easy. We are in the middle of a mining boom and South Australians like Clementine are perfectly positioned to take advantage of defense initiatives, with 2 years doing almost anything that can be used in those fields at tafe or any useful degree you can easily get an affordable home loan. I have friends who are under 25 with no uni and have multiple investment houses because they have jobs in mining or defence.

But then maybe you are right, maybe it is the governments responsibility to give us these things for doing nothing and labour is better positioned to throw money at us for votes.

franzy said...

Hi Audrey!

Wow! There are so many drongos out there! How do these people manage to find you?

I've also got a theory about why the posters who disagree with your rabid lefty bra-burning ways always chose anonymity: they think that if they post a name, then someone will come down the internets, haxx0rs the system and egg their houses or flame their own "I'm just an average bloke, but my opinions are just" blogs which their mates don't know about, but which they hope will get them published on the letters page of The Australian.

Anyway - that was a beautiful letter from the Royal Typewriter too. Remind me to tell you about my own beautiful letter next time I see you!

Anonymous said...

"then someone will come down the internets, haxx0rs the system"

I work in IT, specializing in network security. I dare say I know more about haxx0ring boxes than anyone else on here.

I'm not going to use my real name and I can't be arsed thinking of a fake one.

Anonymous said...

Hahaha, i love it that you actually have a 'real job' now and I finally have a reason to read the Sunday Mail. Don't even think about abandoning your blog though, it would ruin my day.

Well done on all counts, keep up the good work :)

Anonymous said...

don't know that I would call it a real job. As someone said, she is now a professional troll.

Andy Pants said...

I have come to the realisation recently thatw e are living in a society with amassive overclass in the form of what we politely refer to as the 'older generation'.

Older than whom? Senior citizens is perhaps a more common title, geriatrics probably more apt.

This is the root of many of the problems we face presently in society. Take the housing crisis for example, in twenty years when those in the upper age brackets who already own their own houses start to die off, there will actually be a housing surplus. I can't wait until the old codgers kark it.

Personally I think the baby bombers are the most self obsessed generation. Everything they've ever done is completely self serving. Including electing a liberal government several times in a row. Caring more about their interest rates than the future of our health care and education systems and the lives of future Australians in general.

What was the liberal policy for boosting the economy gain? Oh, that's right, privatisation, privatisation and more privatisation. The former liberal government has left us without a single fucking asset.

Oh, and forcing people (through encourgaed industry standards) onto individual contracts, a concept which has short-term positive outcomes but is drastically damaging to the next generation of workers with no yardstick to detremine what is a fairer or even a fair arrangement with their employers.

Damn old people...

They smell funny too.

I'm really not in a very good mood today.

Anonymous said...

Franzy, I wouldn't make jokes about posting your name resulting in a house egging. Anyone with half a brain can find your address and you've only used half of your lastname.

Anonymous said...

I enjoyed you article, Audrey, even though I think technically, I'm not Gen Y but Gen X...

I'm amazed at the level of post election vitriol flying about. There are bitter,ranting letters about the stupidity of the electorate in just about every newspaper. (and a mighty hefty workout for that number one bad loser phrase "You just don't GET it, do you..")
They are all singing the same tune...
"Folks, if you don't vote the way I do, you must be STUPID. Because democracy is wasted on people like you..."

It amuses me that that they fail to see that this is exactly the attitude we just voted out. hurray for democracy! hurray for the party who didnt behave this way when they lost the last election!!!

pregnancy as a career? Isn't mothering the same job that all mothers do regardless of who supports them???????? does that make all mothers bludgers? should YOUR mother be refunding all those years of child endowment?

mick said...

Mothering is a very noble career if done for the right reasons. The people I'm talking about do it for the money, not for the children.

redcap said...

Yeah, fuck knows working for the newspaper isn't a real job. After all, it's just a chip wrapper/budgie cage liner, isn't it? One of my pals was really pleased one day when she saw puppies in the petshop weeing on her stories :)

queenzelda said...

Phhf of course its not a real job.. if you aren't in mining or defense then you totally don't have a real job?!?!?!?!!!!!

How good are puppies though!

Anonymous said...

writing an opinion column is not a really job. Proper journalism and reporting is as this provides a useful service to people.

Todd said...

It could be worse. She could have an Arts degree with a major in creative writing.

The tick said...

You fuzzy legged freaks are so funny.

franzy said...

Anonymous - Well, use that half a brain and bring on the ova. I'm not really that worried by someone who can't be bothered to differentiate themselves from other anonymous posters with perhaps ... their own first name? You can be bothered commenting, but not in having your comments attributed to a specific voice? Because they're just your personal opinions, right? Nothing so important that anyone needs to really take notice of them?
Or is it the other way?
Your opinions/comments are SO groundbreaking that their origin is unimportant compared to their righteous impact?

Anonymous said...

Safety in numbers. If one person is making an argument that is not popular, one person attacks then others jump on the bandwagon and the argument gets ignored. When a group has a voice you can't gang up on them but rather have to actually respond to the things they are saying. I know this make you angry because you prefer personal attacks and belittlement over actual debate (something you clearly have no skill at) of ideas and you can't level personal attacks at anonymous.

teaspoon said...

Hi Audrey

(Sorry, you’ll always be Audrey to me) Lovely column, so glad you are now being paid for writing these things! Would you excuse me while I have a word to some of the others?

Mick and various Anons, I find it so interesting that you on one hand you bag out lefties and artistic types for bludging off the government and in the next breath tell us that we should join the defence force and earn incredibly inflated government salaries. Delicious irony.

I know many people under 25 who do remarkable work, in the public sector, in the much maligned arts, at not-for-profits, and these people can only dream of affording a house any time in the next 10 years. So because they choose not to work in an industry where they could be called upon to slaughter innocent people (defence), or an industry that pillages our land (mining) you declare that they should be subjected to a life of poverty?

I’m not deluded enough to think that I will change anyone’s opinion but I hope you will at least consider another point of view.

Thanks for your time Audrey.

teaspoon

franzy said...

*sigh*

Are you the anonymous who isn't trying to start a flame war by calling someone a bigot? Or the one who loves Audrey's column and doesn't want her to give up her blog? Or the one who says that getting paid to write opinion columns isn't really a job? Or the one who *SNORE*

What WAS your point again, Anon? That Amanda is a bigot because she doesn't respect the opinion of someone who can't remember the name of the author they're upset with?
That you work in IT?
That my debating skills suck?

Safety in numbers sounds a wee bit silly when those numbers don't necessarily agree with one another.

Amanda said...

Franzy, I think I love you.

Mick said...

Mining and defense are just 2 examples of sectors that South Australia seems to be doing well at. I'll rattle off some names of some companies in defense that are looking for staff in South Australia, stop me when you hear one you've heard of. Tenix, BAE Systems, Defense Industries Austrlia, Defence Science and Technology Organisation (DSTO), Science, Saab Systems, The Australian submarine corp. You could work for any one of these without being a member of the defence force, risking service.

Or as wikipedia says:
"Adelaide is home to a large proportion of Australia's defence industries which contribute over AU$1 billion to South Australia's Gross State Product. 70% of Australian defence companies are located in Adelaide."

That is the nature of Adelaide's economic environment. If you want a house, get a job.

Anonymous said...

"Safety in numbers sounds a wee bit silly when those numbers don't necessarily agree with one another."

At what point did they disagree?

Anonymous said...

I like Franzy, his posts give me something to laugh at.

tespoon said...

Hi Mick

I'm assuming that was directed at me. I don't live in Adelaide. I have a job and a house and yes, shock horror, an arts degree, all of these things are not mutually exclusive.

The reality is though, Mick, the vast majority of young Australians do not earn enough to buy property. That does not make them lazy, or ineffective blights on society. It is because housing is unaffordable for anyone on an average income for a young person. That's certainly the case in Sydney anyway.

And just quietly, don't believe everything you read on Wiki.

teaspoon

franzy said...

Well ... there's one anonymous poster who congratulates Audrey on getting a real job; another who implies straight afterwards that a columnist isn't a "real" job, more a "professional troll". A couple more replying to things I've said, another one asking at which point all the anonymous posts disagreed and another below that stating that she or he enjoyed my posts because they gave it something to laugh at.

By saying that the anonymous posts don't agree, I wasn't therefore saying that each anonymous post was disagreeing with every other anonymous post on either side of a binary arguement, merely that each anonymous poster had their own statements mixed in with what seems to be other anonymous posters' statements to create one large amorphous position which ends up stating nothing much of anything really.

I stand by my initial statement that not bothering to type an identifier in signifies a lack of commitment to stand by your statements, the first of which implied that Amanda was a close-minded bigot via the use of irony, instead of defending tRAKKA's right to be heard as a sensible, measured human being with opinions, even though he got Audrey's name wrong in his tirade.

Anonymous - why does tRAKKA earn the right to having Amanda take his opinions seriously, even though a) he gets an author's name (consistently) wrong and b) calls her a twat?

Amanda - Cheers to you.

Anonymous said...

I'm not trying to argue that Audrey should take his opinion seriously, merely pointing out Amanda choosing to hate everything he has to say because of that one slip is the attitude of a closed minded bigot. It's not like there was ever any question regarding who he was talking about. The fact that he gets emotional and starts name calling is more of a reason for disregarding what he has to say. This is why I find your posts so entertaining. You have virtually nothing useful to say or add but feel the need to say something because you have a strong opinion which invariably ends in you getting emotional (and then I laugh).

Anonymous said...

It doesn't produce one large amorphous opinion, it creates many individual points. This means you have to argue points rather than people, which doesn't appear to be your strong suit.

What Willis was talkin about said...

I just read the "opinion" piece and I chuckle. Seriously, what a crock of self serving twaddle. It's amusing that a prolific internet time waster feels qualified to offer commentary on pretty much anything (yes I see the irony). Somewhat typical of the so called GenY huh?

But then we clearly can't expect GenY to understand that the problem is not in their right to form an opinion, but in the misguided belief that opinion is somehow more "correct". Somehow evolution has miraculously imbued their generation with all the knowledge of their predecessors and then somehow surpassed it!

I'm coming to the belief that we may be seeing the first generation that is inherently stupider than the one before it. Not a good sign for humanity. More savvy in just about everything? You can't be serious. I see a generation of users and not knowers. Omg who's going to run your internets when it's only GenY in the workforce? Surely not the army of internet experts we have created.

So please go back to being a good little consumer, go waste some more time and we can all laugh at your impotence.

I voted Labor btw.

Anonymous said...

Some people here remind me of a certain historical figure who also felt so strongly about his beliefs that he didn't care to think about the value of others and of views that differed from his. Only difference was that he was in a position of power. His name was Hitler.

audrey said...

Well gosh, this is all very amusing isn't it? I'm not quite sure when it was I picked up my very own gang of vigilant anonymice but it sure does tickle me pink to read some of the claptrap they come out with!

I'd just like to clear something up though. One of the anonymice implied that in addition to being paid for my 'meaningless' opinion column, I'm also leaching off the government. That is incorrect. Having what is known as an 'income' precludes me from that little fortnightly indignity.

Mick - "7 to 8 times the average income of an arts student maybe. If you don't do anything useful you don't get money and can't buy a house."

Sooo....you're telling me that people on $150k a year are going to be happy buying a $300k house? I don't think so mate. I'd say the average of 7 or 8 times the annual income would pretty much apply across the board.

Also, I don't want to work in the mining industry. Bad me!

I appreciate that you anonymice disagree with just about everything I have to say. I appreciate that you think I'm a talentless hack who insults you by mere virtue of the fact that I get paid to sit in a coffee shop and spout useless 'twaddle' that's super representative of my self-obsessed, selfish generation. To each their own. I just wonder why, when faced with such tremendously uninteresting writing and commentors who you believe couldn't argue their way out of a paper bag, you insist on coming back here day after day to leave your rather poorly constructed opinions. I suspect it may have something to do with slavish grinning at a computer screen, internal whoops for joy at taking down a pesky girl blogger and perhaps just the merest whiff of sexual titillation over your ability to infiltrate a minor website and collectively beat your chests.

Seems like a rather boring waste of time to me.

Meanwhile Todd, it does get worse - I got an arts degree with a double major in english and gender studies. Dirty feminist bitch...

Andy Pants said...

I'm really pissed that not one single anonymous troll even acknowledged my post.

I thought it was fairly offensive personally.

And a little bit boring.

And a little bit self-centred.

It should have been right up their alley.

bec. said...

That's hot.

And can i just say, i have absolutely no interest in reading or replying to the various morons who are obviously only here to be belligerent. I think all of the sane amongst us should just ignore them.

And Franzy, Audrey and I should get involved in a triad.

Anonymous said...

Hey Andy, I can acknowledge you if that would make you happy.

Problem with your offenisve post is that it is not offensive to us. I don't know how old you are, but I have met Audrey in person at least once and I can confidentially say that I am a bit younger than her as are some of the other anonymice on here (I work with one or two).

franzy said...

Lemme get this straight: there are at most three anonymous posters here who all know each other and even work together?

Did I read that correctly?

And, one of you made a very good point: I'm not good at debating issues, only people. That's what I'm here with a problem about, if you'll just refer to my first post wondering about the apples on someone who can't be fucked attaching their own name to their own opinion in the name of justice. "Just debate what I'm saying!"
Bleh. Soft.

You're right, and I'm sorry amanda, it's probably not the correct stance to take to dismiss someone for getting a name wrong. Is that why you got amanda's name wrong? Confusing it with Audrey's? To reel me in as you so brilliantly have done, trapping me into pointing it out. I fell for it! Darn! You got me!
Or was that a big fat mistake? Whoopsy - hope I'm not using any of the accounting software you're designing.

Anonymous said...

I don't work with these guys (or at least I don't think I do, they are anonymous) and I don't design accounting software.

Actually one of the projects I am working on completely replicates any useful impact to society that is made by a person who majors in creative writing. I call it
"mv * /dev/null"
It is also able to replicate the value of a novel about the experiences of high school kids exploring relationships and sexuality.

Anonymous said...

I don't know how you came up with the "at most three" idea. The nature of anonymous is that it could have each been from a different person or each from one.

audrey said...

Anon, enlighten me - how have we met before? Are you a student politician? I bet you are! Only student politicians would waste time writing silly anonymous comments on the blog of a person they obviously don't like. They're also pretty much useless when it comes to debating anything.

franzy said...

Anon - Wow! Thanks! You read my blog! That must have been tough, keeping the "I found out your real name, bitch!" taunts all to yourself for so long.

Anon - "I wouldn't make jokes about posting your name resulting in a house egging. Anyone with half a brain can find your address and you've only used half of your lastname."

You were right! Someone with half a brain DID find my name and address from my poorly disguised online nick name! I bet you googled it all by yourself too! And I see you've also taken the immense trouble to scroll all the way down to the first search result in order to spook me out with your UNCANNY knowledge of my research and writing.

But please, I'm curious (of course I am!), pray tell how, HOW does your INGENIOUS project "replicate" the value of a study in creative writing or indeed a young adult novel dealing with relationships and sexuality in high school?

Perhaps it's just replicating YOUR creative outputs and YOUR experience of relationships and sexuality in high school? I bet you drove the ladies wild, right Anon?
"How about I move my binary digits to your black hole, sweetheart?"
Or, I'm betting it was actually a bit more
like this
.

For those who COULDN'T GIVE A FUCK about what we are talking about, by suggesting that his project "mv * /dev/null" can replicate the value of my creative work, Anon is saying that everything creative I do is worthless because it has the value of a Unix programming command that deletes information.
I had to look it up on Wikipedia
.

I also still can't believe you didn't thank me for conceding your just, yet poorly timed and articulated point that amanda probably should have read tRAKKA's entire post before dismissing it (and stating so on another blog). I still stand by my point that you WERE trying to start a flame war by implying that she was a bigot in your first post on a blog you knew wouldn't be friendly to your comments.

I also stand by my other point that people who post anonymously are both lazy and scared.

I think I've debated both person and point there. Or am I still just attacking a person because I can't debate the point?

Kate said...

God, the h8ers. The aged h8ers are no better or worse than those of our generation. I am repulsed by someone who cannot see individuals in a group, especailly a large group. So, you are saying that, just because I am the same age as someone, I am like them in every way?

I had a heated discuassion over the necessity of saying 'sorry' with my once-favourite uncle on the weekend (dropped since he told me that if gay people MUST be gay, they should just keep quite about it) and the single most infuriating thing was the way he kept talking about 'them'. 'Those' 'aborigonies'. Gah! Way to kill any intelligent discussion, let's paint things as black and white (pun only sort of intended) as we can, make things so simple as to be useless.

Bleah.

blue milk said...

Woah - the first moment of glory in being published is learning to deal with hatred; intense mis-fired hatred. I wonder which inspires the most venom, you being young, a woman, or left leaning?

blue milk said...

Oh and by the way, your writing is fantastic.

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